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said on Aug 26, 2009 at 08:01 PM

Carl said

The White Paper of 1939 limited Jewish immigration to 75,000 to Palestine over the next 5 years after which Jewish immigration would require Arab consent.

Jewish population as a % of Palestine would only remain at around 1/3 or decrease if the holocaust didn't cause illegal migrations to Palestine.

Considering the Arab revolt was over the issue of taking tillable land from the Arabs and giving them to the Jews, the British did not want to start a war of independence by proposing another partition.

You are right about the percentage thing, I was meaning to say that the population, not the percentage would increase, but worded that incorrectly.

My point is not whether the British partition it or not, just that the problem is there whether or not WWII happens. The Mandate will expire eventually, and then we have a problem. The British won't want to stay because the situation is only going to get worse. Sure they can up and leave, but then you'll have a war. It's a damned if you, damned if you don't situation for the British, which is why they'll want to turn over the situation to the League of Nations or other comparable international organization so they can wash their hands of the situation.

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said on Aug 31, 2009 at 02:16 AM

Here's an interesting counter-factual article by Peter Hitchens

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said on Aug 31, 2009 at 06:20 AM

Wow very good article....Peter Hitchens sure knows his stuff. Good find ralph

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said on Aug 31, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Thanks for changing the title guys. It sounds much better. :)

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said on Sep 05, 2009 at 04:21 AM

ralph said

Here's an interesting counter-factual article by Peter Hitchens

Excellent article Ralph, and that's my daily newspaper too.

I remember Peter Hitchens once said he preferred Blur to Oasis on the fact that Oasis were just 'oiks' (a British snobbish term for rude and uncouth working class people) and that any band (referring to Blur) that rhymed 'Balzac' with 'Prozac' was the better, in his opinion.

BTW - is that Egon Schiele?

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said on Sep 05, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Ian said

ralph said

Here's an interesting counter-factual article by Peter Hitchens

Excellent article Ralph, and that's my daily newspaper too.

I remember Peter Hitchens once said he preferred Blur to Oasis on the fact that Oasis were just 'oiks' (a British snobbish term for rude and uncouth working class people) and that any band (referring to Blur) that rhymed 'Balzac' with 'Prozac' was the better, in his opinion.

BTW - is that Egon Schiele?

Yes Mr. Schiele. The original punk.

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said on Sep 12, 2009 at 03:47 PM

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Just think the years it would set back modern civilization. Like it or not, war speeds up research.

or waste time researching...

look at the U.S. today, we somehow spend billions of dollars on a friggen robot tank, the somehow we are able to afford with a $6,000,000,000,000 deficit.

I have no clue how we could possibly even afford one of them. Our tanks are over a million dollars as well.

said on Sep 13, 2009 at 08:41 PM

what if Duke Ferdinand had never had been shot at all , preventing WWI ....would the Russian , German , Austrian, and Ottoman empires still have been around for another 40 years before ? :0

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said on Sep 13, 2009 at 09:43 PM

TehBoss said

MajorLufbery said

Just think the years it would set back modern civilization. Like it or not, war speeds up research.

or waste time researching...

look at the U.S. today, we somehow spend billions of dollars on a friggen robot tank, the somehow we are able to afford with a $6,000,000,000,000 deficit.

I have no clue how we could possibly even afford one of them. Our tanks are over a million dollars as well.

Yes, but think of the first airplanes.

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said on Sep 13, 2009 at 09:58 PM

Mieszko said

what if Duke Ferdinand had never had been shot at all , preventing WWI ....would the Russian , German , Austrian, and Ottoman empires still have been around for another 40 years before ? :0

world war 1 would've still broken out. Austria and Serbia had problems beforehand. And would've gone to war anyway. Greece, Montenegro, and Romania would've backed the Serbs, considering the Balkan League is still around, and Austria would've lost alot of territory.

Actually, this would make a good scenario! Off to work i go.

said on Sep 14, 2009 at 07:04 AM

haha if u do a scenario about a war in Balkan my forces in Austria-Hungary will kick there asses! lol plz do a scenario

And a very cool article Ralph!

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said on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:04 PM

You know, its amazing just how well Germany took on the French,British, and eventually, though not as sucsessfully, the americans, in World war 1

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said on Sep 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM

That was certainly an interesting article by Hitchens. What he described about Britain currently, I had no idea that was how things were in the UK. Kind of depressing in a way. But an interesting article nevertheless. Very nice.

said on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:54 AM

yeah! and set in 1933 or so , and have all the original empires still around , except maybe the Ottoman and Russian Empires ( because of civil-war & revolts ) ... I'm glad I could have possibly inspired a scenario ! :D

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said on Sep 17, 2009 at 02:15 AM

No, not possibly, you HAVE inspired a scenario! :)

said on Dec 09, 2009 at 12:06 PM

A war between nazi Germany and USSR was unavoidable. Italy also was thirsting to bring down the worlds first proletarian state.

But, say there never was a nazi government in Germany, and Japan and italy didn't try to rise up, the wolrd would have been in depression for another 10 years, maybe more. The 1929 crisis only solution, was the world war. War is like you know, the most effective way to break down production equipment. Another follow, the USA wouldn't have been the world's superpower. And maybe the Soviet Union didn't turn revisionist(state capitalist) in 1956. But we will never know.=)

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said on Dec 09, 2009 at 09:40 PM

You are right about the war between Germany and USSR being unavoidable.

Italy is hard to predict. They''d still want to invade Greece and Yugoslavia....but whether they would do or not is hard to predict

But for the rest of the world:

The UK proved that it was possible to get out of the depression without a World War

And really the WW2 helped end the great depression is a extremely US-centric argument

The US economically prospered because of WW2, but noone else did

History might have told a different story if people with knowledge of economics was put into control of the US economy rather than ideological dreamers with no concept of economics or reality

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said on Dec 09, 2009 at 10:56 PM

ralph said

Here's an interesting counter-factual article by Peter Hitchens

i suppose it's interesting to be exposed that alien a viewpoint, but that seemed a little bit more like wet dream for British nationalists than alternate history.

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said on Dec 12, 2009 at 04:00 AM

Carl said

You are right about the war between Germany and USSR being unavoidable.

Italy is hard to predict. They''d still want to invade Greece and Yugoslavia....but whether they would do or not is hard to predict

But for the rest of the world:

The UK proved that it was possible to get out of the depression without a World War

And really the WW2 helped end the great depression is a extremely US-centric argument

The US economically prospered because of WW2, but noone else did

History might have told a different story if people with knowledge of economics was put into control of the US economy rather than ideological dreamers with no concept of economics or reality

i would like to point out that both the USSR and Canada prosspered after WW2

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said on Dec 12, 2009 at 10:23 PM

You're right about Canada, which was once again forgotten about in analysis

As for the USSR, I was talking about the people rather than the despots

The people of the USSR suffered greatly in WW2. Stalin and his fellow despots were the ultimate winners of WW2, but the people of the USSR still lost

Then again I'm biased against killing people to make money

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