There was an interesting thread on the paradox forums HOI3 vs. MHII. Although the thread was recently closed (for good reason, a few people towards the end were just flaming each other), a fair number of people were pointing up the various points of the two game series. It's worth viewing.
One thing--if you should decide to start a thread in their forums, please take the high road and discuss the games honestly without flaming or trolling. That kind of thing always makes the poster writing inflammatory posts--and by extension the game they are defending--look bad.
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Some of the people on their forum are asses. One of the posts even said so:
Syntalynder said
wilcoxchar Said
Given the anti-Paradox bias I've seen on their forums, probably gushing over MH2 and bashing HOI3.
I read their forum every single day and have done since 2007 and there is NO anti-Paradox sentiment. In fact their forum is more polite & civilized that here!
And seeing some of their comments seems kind of like they're the ones 'bashing' and 'gushing'.
Luckily, some of the people actually made interesting points.
TehBoss said
Some of the people on their forum are asses. One of the posts even said so:
Syntalynder said
wilcoxchar Said
Given the anti-Paradox bias I've seen on their forums, probably gushing over MH2 and bashing HOI3.
I read their forum every single day and have done since 2007 and there is NO anti-Paradox sentiment. In fact their forum is more polite & civilized that here!
And seeing some of their comments seems kind of like they're the ones 'bashing' and 'gushing'.
Luckily, some of the people actually made interesting points. This illustrates the point perfectly, TehBoss. In threads like these, respond to the interesting people--even if you disagree with them-- and don't feed the trolls.
Chris--
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MH II mentioned again here:
Quote: mercader1941:
Bit unacceptable tbh. Wish PI had a competitor in this genre to make them work on shipping playable games on release.
Dtnoip28:
You do realise that Paradox is a game company with about a dozen employees? HOI3 is probably just as complicated as Empire: Total War which took Creative Assembly (a company with hundreds of employees) months to patch. I think one should be grateful that a company exists that even caters to this particular genre. Also, there is a competitor. It's called Making History. Just google it. "
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Really? Telling each mine/city/factory what to produce is a better simulation?
To me, the game reminded me of WarCraft's "turning gold into orcs" economy...because that's basically what it is.
By the way, I'm not sure why anyone thinks that RELIGION in a WW2 geopolitical sim has any place. Seriously. More random pointless detail != more realz. The whole game suffers from a complete lack of focus and understanding of what it's actually trying to achieve. If you're going to make an "everything game" where warfare takes a backseat to tinkering with your toaster output, perhaps the time period isn't the right one?
Granted, HoI3 is not a pure wargame, and was never intended to be a pure wargame. But the era of 1936-1948 is defined by war. You can't make a geopolitical sim about it that's believable, and not a wargame at the same time. It's like CK without dynasties. Or Vicky without socialist rebels. Or EU without wars of religion.
For the Niall Ferguson business, see the relevant OT thread that I started. Conclusion - it's a gimmick.
I don't know what the politics in MHII is going to look like, though, but I wouldn't put much hope in it based on MH1. The only good thing about MH1 were the somewhat decent graphics. It looked like spruced up HoI2. But now we have HOI3 to do that.
EDIT: I can't really say it's a terrible game, altogether. But what ticks me off is the fact that the original was marketed as an educational tool. And now they have a historian on staff. Give me a break and admit that it's a casual strategy game loosely based on WW2, and we'll all move on to better things. Like playing HOI3. qoute
Now, I am not the kind to flame others, but this, really burns me. Or theres this, from the same user.
qoute Originally Posted by Syntalynder I read their forum every single day and have done since 2007 and there is NO anti-Paradox sentiment. In fact their forum is more polite & civilized that here!
Of course that's very easy on a forum that sees like one new post a week
Though I read through some threads there - half of those posters would be banned around here. qoute
"Mors ultima linea rerum est mortalis."
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But there are some interesting facts. Anyway, it is none of my concern. Just becasue one person has an opinion, doesnt mean that you have to listen to it, right?
"Mors ultima linea rerum est mortalis."
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You have to admit, the toaster crack was funny.
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I suppose thats true.
"Mors ultima linea rerum est mortalis."
- MajorLufbery
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all this arguing about this two games that is two different games is weird. HOI is about historical moments and to do the big historical things yourself, but MH is about changing the history.
or im I way out?
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No, your perfectly in.
"Mors ultima linea rerum est mortalis."
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Though I read through some threads there - half of those posters would be banned around here.
Then let us thank Muzzly Lane for giving us more freedom than paradox gives them on our forums. :)
MajorLufbery said
No, your perfectly in.
oowh, puh know I can breath again. lol
TehBoss said
Though I read through some threads there - half of those posters would be banned around here.
Then let us thank Muzzly Lane for giving us more freedom than paradox gives them on our forums. :)
U are shore right there, Tehboss!
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One is real events and other is alternative universe. I think both these games are great !
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One is real events and other is alternative universe. I think both these games are great !
you mean MH2 and HOI3 or MH2 and HOi2?
In my Opinion HOI3 sucks i mean its really boring and allows no freedom of choice regarding some things like declaring war on bulgaria as romania in 1933 it also takes wayy to long to get to a war for you to either win or lose in an hour.The game has WAAY too many regions i mean each region is the size of danzig in MH2 and while this does allow better historical precision its not really necessary as they could have gotten similar precision while still not having 1000 regions.
The game also seems to force on you the limitations of your country during that time so for example if you play as USSR in 1933 you will not be able to turn it into a power with a professional and highly advanced army you will still be a shitty conscript based country and you will lose barbarossa until you get the great patrotic war event and by taht time if you managed to somewhat stall the germans you might be able to win.
Regarding HOI2 i think its a VERY good game perhaps needs a few moee regions but overall its fine and i don't think i need to go in depth on how great it is.
And if anyone thinks i just hate paradox you should think again since i regularly play EU3 magicka and sometimes still play HOI2 and Vichy2
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Hoi3 is not really good and the vanilla version is unsupported despite still having several bugs. Hoi3-SF is better but still needs lots of work. The older versions are really way better regarding events and moddability, Hoi2DD-Armageddon and Arsenal of Democracy (based on Armageddon). Ever tried to have real fun by using the CORE mod for them ?
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I like how my coldwar scenario was mentioned :) I didnt like the thread was closed though I wanted to read their reaction to both of the games releases. Also their reaction to the little post release HOI3 received atleast without having to pay.
Quote 2 Things that MH1/2 has over HOI3:
MH1 has a Coldwar scenario, it took the guys here a few good 3000 or so years to make a 5% complete Coldwar scenario.
MH2 would be more suitable torwards the post war era, where politics, religion, and culture mattered more than armies and etc.
Anyways, why are you guys so quick to judge their games when they're a small company? It's like comparing an EA that uses it's resources and money to make games, not marketing them, to a small developer with 5 people running it. I'm sure HOI3 wouldn't have great potential had HOI2 sold 5000 copies.
Now MH1 may not be barely able to compete with HOI3 on economic matters, but I'm going to give you a guarantee that HOI3 will not possibly compete with MH2 in politics and economics.
Saying all this, I have bought HOI3 already, I just don't expect to play it for more than a week =/ Quote
Leo said
I like how my coldwar scenario was mentioned :) I didnt like the thread was closed though I wanted to read their reaction to both of the games releases. Also their reaction to the little post release HOI3 received atleast without having to pay.
Quote 2 Things that MH1/2 has over HOI3:
MH1 has a Coldwar scenario, it took the guys here a few good 3000 or so years to make a 5% complete Coldwar scenario.
MH2 would be more suitable torwards the post war era, where politics, religion, and culture mattered more than armies and etc.
Anyways, why are you guys so quick to judge their games when they're a small company? It's like comparing an EA that uses it's resources and money to make games, not marketing them, to a small developer with 5 people running it. I'm sure HOI3 wouldn't have great potential had HOI2 sold 5000 copies.
Now MH1 may not be barely able to compete with HOI3 on economic matters, but I'm going to give you a guarantee that HOI3 will not possibly compete with MH2 in politics and economics.
Saying all this, I have bought HOI3 already, I just don't expect to play it for more than a week =/ Quote
me and a couple of people played HOI 3 multiplayer for 2 hours and got to 1937 afterwards we all woke up in 2503 with the world owned by kuwait cos we all fell asleep what iam saying is that HOI3 is probably the most boring game ever and i recomend you get darkest hour instead
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Explain that to me, Kuwait taking over the world.
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