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Carl said
I'm fully aware that he was the architect of the Holocaust
And no, I'm not saying he liked Jews or was "just following orders". He hated Jews. Possibly more than any other Nazi
In 1944 he blamed Hitler's wasteful and "uncivilized" genocide agenda as one of the problems that led to their defeat
What he felt about in 1941, 1942, or 1943 is irrelevant as far as a post July 1944 plot is concerned
Himmler was even more of a hypocrite than Hitler
My source for believing that is my notes compiled from reading about articles about the 1944 failed Hungarian Jews transfer plan
Let me see if I can find the original source without driving to my old university's library
I figured you were talking about for resources sake but i wasn't sure,(so i had to state what i stated to to be sure.)
That really is one of the reasons why Hitler lost WW2 way to many resources went to exterminating the jews, which is funny because i remember reading somewhere that around 100,000 jews according to race laws served in hitlers army.
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Carl said
There are many possibilities of what would happen if Hitler died, and there's really no way to know who would take power and what he or they would do with it.
Thats not true, the group who tried to kill Hitler in June had already come up with a plan! When the signal was given, then all bigger nazis were captured ( this actually happened but guys like Himmler, Goring and Boerman was never captured ) and in France the commander of a SS panzer corp were arrested, for a while!
After that the bigger nazis were captured and Hitler dead, some guys ( cant remember their names ) would take over the political power while Rommel would be highest miliary commander of the armed German forces! Then they would have done every thing in their power to stop the Russians and the allies, bt to try to get a peace offer to end the war! Even if the outcome would have ended so that Germany got todays borders!
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thegeniusmartin said
Thats not true, the group who tried to kill Hitler in June had already come up with a plan! When the signal was given, then all bigger nazis were captured ( this actually happened but guys like Himmler, Goring and Boerman was never captured ) and in France the commander of a SS panzer corp were arrested, for a while!
After that the bigger nazis were captured and Hitler dead, some guys ( cant remember their names ) would take over the political power while Rommel would be highest miliary commander of the armed German forces! Then they would have done every thing in their power to stop the Russians and the allies, bt to try to get a peace offer to end the war! Even if the outcome would have ended so that Germany got todays borders!
I'm still laughing at this post, not because it's stupid or anything like that, but that every sentence ends with an exclamation point. Instead of making yourself sound like a pissed off Swedish-man, try using emphasis with asterisks.
But what Carl is saying is that if Hitler war killed, not necessarily in the Valkyrie plot, there are a number of different directions the war could have gone. Saying that there is only one way the war could have gone had Hitler died is a ludicrous statement, no one path will always lead the same way.
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Even in a theoretical Walkure plot that succeeded in killing Hitler, things could have gone very different than the way the conspirators wanted
The conspirators wanted for example to kill Hitler, Himmler, and Goring at the same time (which made no sense, given the difficulty of planning simultaneous assassinations rather than separate ones)
There was no opportunity for that (and there wouldn't be considering Himmler knew about the plot, and planned to take power if they succeeded).
A lot of the plan was improvised, and the plan could have gone awry at any point even if the bomb succeeded in killing Hitler.
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cavetroll1304 said
thegeniusmartin said
Thats not true, the group who tried to kill Hitler in June had already come up with a plan! When the signal was given, then all bigger nazis were captured ( this actually happened but guys like Himmler, Goring and Boerman was never captured ) and in France the commander of a SS panzer corp were arrested, for a while!
After that the bigger nazis were captured and Hitler dead, some guys ( cant remember their names ) would take over the political power while Rommel would be highest miliary commander of the armed German forces! Then they would have done every thing in their power to stop the Russians and the allies, bt to try to get a peace offer to end the war! Even if the outcome would have ended so that Germany got todays borders!I'm still laughing at this post, not because it's stupid or anything like that, but that every sentence ends with an exclamation point. Instead of making yourself sound like a pissed off Swedish-man, try using emphasis with asterisks.
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
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thegeniusmartin said
Carl said
There are many possibilities of what would happen if Hitler died, and there's really no way to know who would take power and what he or they would do with it.
Thats not true, the group who tried to kill Hitler in June had already come up with a plan! When the signal was given, then all bigger nazis were captured ( this actually happened but guys like Himmler, Goring and Boerman was never captured ) and in France the commander of a SS panzer corp were arrested, for a while!
After that the bigger nazis were captured and Hitler dead, some guys ( cant remember their names ) would take over the political power while Rommel would be highest miliary commander of the armed German forces! Then they would have done every thing in their power to stop the Russians and the allies, bt to try to get a peace offer to end the war! Even if the outcome would have ended so that Germany got todays borders!Well i believe that (Germany) would probally have Austria,Denmark, Part of France (1861 boundry between germany and france) upper poland, part of Czechslovakia, if hitler had been overthrown and if peace had been restored (Japan... Well i dont know what would happen to japan... well maybe they defeated japan by .. well... um... April, 9, 1945 (Random geuss)
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thegeniusmartin said
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
No need to apologize, I can tell English isn't your first language. Emphasis is putting "strength" on a particular word (one you want to put the attention on). With all of your exclamation points (!) it makes you look like you're yelling at everyone, not a good road to take during a debate or argument.
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dizzle229 said
Why not? It's certainly how the US government handles foreign policy XD
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dizzle229 said
Why not? It's certainly how the US government handles foreign policy XD
Not to mention politics at home.
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cavetroll1304 said
thegeniusmartin said
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
No need to apologize, I can tell English isn't your first language. Emphasis is putting "strength" on a particular word (one you want to put the attention on). With all of your exclamation points (!) it makes you look like you're yelling at everyone, not a good road to take during a debate or argument.
Im sry for the misunderstanding!
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thegeniusmartin said
Im sry for the misunderstanding -->!<--
Bah, * Facepalm * I give up.
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thegeniusmartin said
cavetroll1304 said
thegeniusmartin said
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
No need to apologize, I can tell English isn't your first language. Emphasis is putting "strength" on a particular word (one you want to put the attention on). With all of your exclamation points (!) it makes you look like you're yelling at everyone, not a good road to take during a debate or argument.
Im sry for the misunderstanding!
Hey, its cool dude. We know what you mean, most of the time anyway. :)
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thegeniusmartin said
cavetroll1304 said
thegeniusmartin said
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
No need to apologize, I can tell English isn't your first language. Emphasis is putting "strength" on a particular word (one you want to put the attention on). With all of your exclamation points (!) it makes you look like you're yelling at everyone, not a good road to take during a debate or argument.
Im sry for the misunderstanding!
Sorry if this seems way off topic, but how come you put exclamation points after every scentence?
TehBoss said
thegeniusmartin said
cavetroll1304 said
thegeniusmartin said
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
No need to apologize, I can tell English isn't your first language. Emphasis is putting "strength" on a particular word (one you want to put the attention on). With all of your exclamation points (!) it makes you look like you're yelling at everyone, not a good road to take during a debate or argument.
Im sry for the misunderstanding!
Sorry if this seems way off topic, but how come you put exclamation points after every scentence?
Didnt we cover this?
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MajorLufbery said
TehBoss said
thegeniusmartin said
cavetroll1304 said
thegeniusmartin said
Sry, but I dont know what emphasis are!
No need to apologize, I can tell English isn't your first language. Emphasis is putting "strength" on a particular word (one you want to put the attention on). With all of your exclamation points (!) it makes you look like you're yelling at everyone, not a good road to take during a debate or argument.
Im sry for the misunderstanding!
Sorry if this seems way off topic, but how come you put exclamation points after every scentence?
Didnt we cover this?
Hmm, oh yeah.
One of the big mistakes started before the war the german research team made a lot of light bombers and stukas while they just made a very small amount of heavy bombers
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How would heavy bombers have helped Germany succeed? They lost in Russia. They needed more tanks and trucks
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Germany never made any 4 engine heavy bombers besides the Focke Wulf Condor, which was used as a troop transport in Wesserubung.
Big mistake, probably learned after Anglo-American raids on German cities by Lancasters and B-17s.
How would heavy bombers make a difference?
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