Israel has mandatory service because their population is not big compared to the most if not all of their enemies in the middle east normally Israel doesn't fight wars with only one enemy so its a good thing to have mandatory service so like this they have more military personal at their disposal in case of an emergency. Israel is a great place to raise children it's not Israels fault the Arabs attack them or force Israel in to going to war.
I love it how you say the modern western world and basically forget about the other half the eastern part of the world. Really the main reason why a lot of the western world hated Jews yesteryear was because of Christian influences you could say that the remnants of that influence still exist today i disagree with you about that Antisemitism does not exist in pretty decent numbers i believe there is still much Antisemitism in the west.
Not all Chareidim are Anti-Israel it depends on which group you are(i use Anti-Israel because the word Zionist doesn't fit good here) there are many Chareidi(Litvish Misnagdim) that are pro Israel but they don't like Zionism because of the secular aspect of it. Heres a link if you want to look up about this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Jewish_Anti-Zionism
Oh your back with the puppet state thing. Sorry about that puppet state comment I just checked another post where you called Israel a Nato puppet state so i edited this post so anyways which is it a British or Nato puppet state or do you consider it the same thing. By the way you will find some interesting facts in here (the link) about how the Arab countries treated their Jews. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf15.html
Iv'e never heard of that what you said about during the 1930's maybe a source just so i can see what your talking about.
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Am I the one one here who thinks the atomic bombing on Japan was a good thing? It was good for USA (for obvious reasons) and it was especially good for the Japanese! Japan was going to fight "to the last man" (or to the last woman and children), so losing less than 300,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was in the end a good deal.
Luckily Japan didn't surrender earlier. We know what happened with Germany after the WW1. It was the absolute defeat of Japan and Germany in WW2 that made them the great countries they are today - not only economically, but is was a moral lesson. They became much more pacifists than the winners.
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Clarification post:
Before and during WW1, some of the world powers were contemplating how to carve up the Ottoman Empire. In particular the British Empire talked about turning Israel into a buffer state occupied by a "patriotic race" loyal to the British Empire. This is the roots of why the British supported Zionism.
After the Arab revolt of 1936-1939, they put the idea on hold (I don't know whether or not is was meant to be indefinitely, or only after the British fear of the Eurasian Embrace was dealt with once and for all)
And as we all know the British Empire really didn't survive WW2, and NATO filled that void. Thus Israel became a NATO puppet rather than a British one. This of course didn't stop the UK from attempting to use Israel to get back the Suez Canal in the Sinai War
As for a source on the 1930s Zionism events. The only book that I know of on the subject that is free and uploaded to the internet is Zionism in the Age of the Dictators by the ex-Orthodox Lenni Brenner.
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/
As for the rest of it, I don't have the time or desire to argue. Its irrelevant anyway. No matter whether you or I am right Israel will still be here. Unless of course it gets itself annihilated in a war with Russia and/or China if say Russia and/or China backs Iran in turning Kish Island into a Euro oil selling exchange
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Carl said
Thus Israel became a NATO puppet rather than a British one.
the only thing i'd argue with: Israel doesn't really fit the definition of a 'puppet state', since their internal and external affairs have never really been under the control of another power. if anything, NATO (i.e. the US) has worked to reign them in, but hasn't really exerted control. they really are a NATO ally, fully sovereign (since independence) but ultimately dependent on the West for security.
Odanan said
Japan was going to fight "to the last man" (or to the last woman and children), so losing less than 300,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was in the end a good deal.
everyone seems to believe this, but in fact we'll never know. the Japanese govt surrendered also on the basis of the Soviet invasion, seeing that they were going to lose all their Asian holdings. Soviet/American landings in japan, imho, would have similarly provoked a surrender.
By the way i love how you say that this guy is ex-orthodox, he came from a orthodox family. He became a atheist at a young age. then he joined the Marxism camp at 15. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenni_Brenner
Here check this link out i'm not gonna bother to type up a whole long thing because this answers some of things. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html
With your logic of a puppet state then Syria would then be a puppet state of France and America to the Britain and so on but thats not the way it works in the real world, why don't you check this link and then reanalyze the situation. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html#j
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Bigmak5 said
By the way i love how you say that this guy is ex-orthodox, he came from a orthodox family. He became a atheist at a young age. then he joined the Marxism camp at 15. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenni_Brenner
Lulz Carl needs to get information straight and stop using bad sources ^^
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Carl said
Good points
Here's a interesting What if: What if the Soviets only thought the atomic bomb was feasible after it was used on the Japanese, and therefore would not have stolen the technology if it was never used?
Interesting thought, but its pure speculation
BS would have been stolen anyway, ever heard of the Manhattan Project? There were dozens if not hundreds of Soviet spies planted in this project. Once the Soviets saw Operation Trinity where the Atom bomb was tested in New Mexico they would have stolen it either way, so nice straw man argument. Also the Japanese would have never surrendered, Hirohito would have been killed by his General had he ever consented to anything like that, there twisted warrior code that condoned cutting off unarmed soldiers head, or making diseased dysentery American or British GI's bury there still alive comrades on the death march to Bataan. Honestly you make it sound like they deserved anything short of unconditional surrender, I would have condoned fire bombing the whole Japanese Isles.
You make it sound like the Allies were dealing with civilized people... no we were not, we were dealing with any enemy who was teaching the school kids how to kill an American GI who approached them with chocolates. Your ignorance amazes me really, this is not the first time I have seen a completely and utterly baseless remark such as your Israel comments among others, you in general only have straw men argument. Pick up a book I dare you to read some memoirs of the death March to Bataan, go out and buy 'Readers Digest WW2 Collection' honestly it covers all sides of the war. Including the guy who was the first to lead the planes off the carriers that sank the ships in Hawaii, there he describes vividly that many soldiers were only taught how to take off and not land back on a carrier deck. He also goes on to explain that pilots were not given enough fuel to come back, and were instructed that once the ammo ran out to smack into command deck to kill the officers inside the American ships.
Is this just propaganda put out by the Zionists that control the world? There was no holocaust on 200,000 people died, or the argument where Zionists helped with the holocaust so they could have Israel? Lol honestly I can't take you seriously sorry.
P.S. with your above quoted comment I have lost all respect for you completely. Your references are all pretty bad and easily disproven, especially the one you sent on the Israili immigration thing, I mean do you know how easily disproven such a document is? Stop listening to David Duke, end of story. You lose.
OK first of all most of this is horribly racist, USSR did commit atrocities so did Japan, but USA had concentration camps for Japenese people in America, USA had a larger spy network than the soviets etc.....
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Soldat98 said
Truman is the biggest douch in the history of United States, he was the turning point of America's history. Roosevelt was a good president and America is considered a good country but when Truman came, everything just changed.
I disagree, Obama is definatly the biggest doush in the history of the United States.
Gmoney542 said
Soldat98 said
Truman is the biggest douch in the history of United States, he was the turning point of America's history. Roosevelt was a good president and America is considered a good country but when Truman came, everything just changed.
I disagree, Obama is definatly the biggest doush in the history of the United States.
Why? As a British person I personally haven't seen anything Obama has done as bad apart from the stupid internet laws he wants to pass and out of curiosity I wondered why Americans hate him now as they loved him before. What have I missed where he has done something wrong xD
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Personally, I hate politics, but a good chunk of the matter is, he has inheireted so much crap, that theres no way he could even start to fix it all. So now, with some extra things going wrong, and the majority of the old problems not being fixed already(everyone knows its been so Looong) that alot of Americans have sort of, hmmm, how to describe it? Given up on him. Somewhere along those lines.
Dont hold me to this too much, because, although I am older, and am not yet someone who studys these things in great depth. :P
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MajorLufbery said
Personally, I hate politics, but a good chunk of the matter is, he has inheireted so much crap, that theres no way he could even start to fix it all. So now, with some extra things going wrong, and the majority of the old problems not being fixed already(everyone knows its been so Looong) that alot of Americans have sort of, hmmm, how to describe it? Given up on him. Somewhere along those lines.
Dont hold me to this too much, because, although I am older, and am not yet someone who studys these things in great depth. :P
Nearly everything isn't directly his fault yet he is held responsible.
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Maybe Obama is been blamed because he promised so much "change" and changed nothing.
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This happens to almost every leader in the world. They all make promises and seem like great people when their running for power or have recently taken power, but after a month or two people get tired of them and want a new leader. See, I'm one of those who believe that politicians don't make very good leaders. I think the best leaders come from poor, isolated backgrounds.
I can name a few United States presidents who were considered good presidents. George Washington, although born to a relatively wealthy estate, had two siblings that died when he was young and worked as a planter and surveyor until joining the military. Planting and surveying aren't exactly known to be the best jobs around. Abraham Lincoln's life is riddled with sadness. Read about his early life on the internet.
Now I don't know enough about other leaders who turned out to be "heroes," but these are my examples. I knew during Obama's campaign, when everyone was saying how great he was, that people would soon be turning away from him. That's how life works.
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Well yes all leaders of dmocratic countires make promises, how else do you get elected, but just because you make promises doens't mean that you can do them. And for Obama he is insanely socialist and I don't think the 2008 election should have been chosen on race, but unfortunatly he was only eleceted because every black person in America registered to vote just so they can have a black man in the oval office and they don't give a damn about what his politics are, though a large percentage of black americans probably wouldn't be able to understand politics. Obama's stimulus package which was supposed to be a pack of lifesavers that cost a trillion dollars, when the US only had enough money to pay around 150 billion of, will from what Obama says take several years and on top of that just to pay the rest of that trillion dollars back, tax rates are going to be through the roof in the coming 10 years. And on top of that the government now owns all the major american financial institutions and every major american car manufacturer... the government controlling corporate business, this sounds a lot more like communism than capitalism.
Gmoney542 said
Well yes all leaders of dmocratic countires make promises, how else do you get elected, but just because you make promises doens't mean that you can do them. And for Obama he is insanely socialist and I don't think the 2008 election should have been chosen on race, but unfortunatly he was only eleceted because every black person in America registered to vote just so they can have a black man in the oval office and they don't give a damn about what his politics are, though a large percentage of black americans probably wouldn't be able to understand politics. Obama's stimulus package which was supposed to be a pack of lifesavers that cost a trillion dollars, when the US only had enough money to pay around 150 billion of, will from what Obama says take several years and on top of that just to pay the rest of that trillion dollars back, tax rates are going to be through the roof in the coming 10 years. And on top of that the government now owns all the major american financial institutions and every major american car manufacturer... the government controlling corporate business, this sounds a lot more like communism than capitalism.
I'm quoting you here..."...though a large percentage of black americans probably wouldn't be able to understand politics." I'm suprised sometimes as to what does and doesn't get someone banned in the forum.
The American gov't doesn't own any car manufacturers. That has been paid back. Early and with interest. They don't own any banks either. I could call you a lot of things, but I'll just stick with ignorant.
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Not to mention (but I'll mention it anyway), "...because every black person in America registered to vote...." As the black population in the US is a whopping 12.4% = 37.6 million people, even if every single black, man, woman and child cast a vote for Obama, given that he received 69,456,897 votes, that would seem to indicate that he got another @32 million votes from somewhere else. But given Gmoney542's belief system, I would guess he would suggest that the entire election was rigged, with ballot-stuffing done in wholesale lots, done by essentially the poorest Americans in the population. With no interference by the uber-wealthy that has demonstrated a talent for altering election outcomes in FL and OH, and can apparently also influence Supreme Court judges. Those people didn't do a thing to influence the outcome. Of course.
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Nobody likes him in America, because of his great way with dealing with the main problems. Just completely ignore the economy and fight for 2 years for free flu shots for everyone.
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For another view, one can look at http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=54, which describes the invasion plan and possible resistance. In history, hindsight is so much easier than foresight. He should have done this or that, but Truman did what he thought was best for the United States, not Japan. It could have even been a little payback for Pearl Harbor and the number of American lives lost in the war.
Bombing of Dresden in WW II describes the fire bombing which is another look at the civilian causalities caused by bombing.
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According to an article( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties) Japan lost 580,000 civilians in WW II. On the other hand, China lost 7 to 16 million civilians, Dutch East Indies 3 to 4 million, Philippians 1/2 to 1 million. Japan's civilian losses were much less than the countries Japan occupied.
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