DISCUSSIONS
Hi, All,
I just started my first "for real" game as Germany (1933, Normal), and I managed to annex Austria; Czech declared war on me -- and I beat them handily -- meanwhile getting all the "usual" allies... then comes Sep/39 & no "Danzig or War" popup appears, so I DW them anyway... and I get MASSACRED!
France & UK combined completely overwhelmed my pitiful forces in the Rhinelandl, and Poland put up so much of a fight -- even w/ Hungarians & Italians on my side -- that I couldn't keep enough of my Eastern Front forces intact to help out west before I'm completely overrun... and Poland still stands anyway! And on top of all that, USSR DW on me & began to cream Romania.
What am I doing wrong? There is just no way I can see to have built up my forces to a level to adequately match those arrayed against me -- at least not the way I was doing it, and I can't think of another way...
Suggestions appreciated... :/
Thanx!
JR
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uncajerf said
Hi, All,
I just started my first "for real" game as Germany (1933, Normal), and I managed to annex Austria; Czech declared war on me -- and I beat them handily -- meanwhile getting all the "usual" allies... then comes Sep/39 & no "Danzig or War" popup appears, so I DW them anyway... and I get MASSACRED!
France & UK combined completely overwhelmed my pitiful forces in the Rhinelandl, and Poland put up so much of a fight -- even w/ Hungarians & Italians on my side -- that I couldn't keep enough of my Eastern Front forces intact to help out west before I'm completely overrun... and Poland still stands anyway! And on top of all that, USSR DW on me & began to cream Romania.
What am I doing wrong? There is just no way I can see to have built up my forces to a level to adequately match those arrayed against me -- at least not the way I was doing it, and I can't think of another way...
Suggestions appreciated... :/
Thanx!
JR
You say your forces matched theirs? All of your enemies, combined? To win any sort of war, you're going to have to have a stronger army than your enemy. This, of ocurse, is a given. Perhaps you could devote more of your cities to military build-up?
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Are you in the green when it comes to arms? What offensive tactics do you have researched? What units are you using, and for what purposes?
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Well, maybe you should've invaded earlier. I find that is the source of most of my problems in SP. After MANY, MANY playthroughs, if you give the AI enough time on a harder difficulty, they will be able to build the strength necessary to take on the entire world, especially nations such as the USSR, USA, UK, Germany, and Japan.
Thanx, all, for your replies.
I had researched Early Tanks, Mountain Troops, Defense in Depth, Combined Arms, That First Synthetic Oil Process Thingy (that's the tech term for it!), and I had just finished Early (Light?) Bombers before Czech DW on me (wouldn't just give up the Sudentenland like reasonable folks!). But it looked like I was already facing Improved French/UK Fighters/Bombers, and perhaps even Improved (Light?) Tanks and/or Infantry -- not to mention being completely outnumbered... I had about 7 armies of roughly 3-4 Early Inf ea., inc. 2-3 Early Tanks ea., 2 Field Arty ea., plus my starting Cav in perhaps 3 of them. I also had a "air force" (if you can call it that!) made up of 3 wings of 2 Early Ftrs ea., plus two Early Bombers.
And these forces did not match theirs at all -- that's the problem; I was "out-gunned" something like 700-ish to 60-ish in certain battles v. France/UK; they smashed through my L2/3 fortresses in the Rhineland and were outside Berlin virtually before I could react! And as I hadn't even finished off Poland yet, I knew the jig was up already!
I cannot see how I could've built up my forces up any more without going "bankrupt" in Arms/Goods; I was barely keeping them in the green, despite my huge trade surplus otherwise & my Requests on the open market for much more than I was getting. I had also built up all my Infrastructure to max., as well as maxed out Food Production in all but the 0/1 producing provinces.
I hear TehBoss (TheBoss?) re: invading earlier, but I tried that on an earlier game and I was no match even for Czechoslovakia -- esp. w/ no allies.
Thanx again, and I look forward to hearing more comments/suggestions.
JR
- uncajerf
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The correct spelling is TehBoss. Anyway, I see your problem. I find trying to stay in the green with arms and goods to be really harmful when I'm trying to build a massive military. Just take the penalty and devote more of your cities to military build-up and research. If you can build up a large enough military, you'll easily be able to compensate for the lost IPUS with more cities from other nations.
Also, for your first game, I'd reccomend trying it on Easiest. If you decide you're good enough, then you can up the difficulty.
DEMONS
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I try to first build up my arms/goods early on, then turn all my cities to military, that way I have a stockpile before I hit 0 in goods and/or military. But I've noticed even though the computer has a huge army, they are backrupt, have no arms or goods, and are barely holding up in food and ore/metal/oil. So keeping your economy stable is not as dire as it seems.
Africa is a shitstorm. Complete cluster fuck, rebellions everywhere. -SANAND
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Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
Didn't have enough characters left to add that part sadly :\
TehBoss said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I just love the saying, because it's so true.
Africa is a shitstorm. Complete cluster fuck, rebellions everywhere. -SANAND
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TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
I live in Britain, the police are shit...
In order to know how to use free will, we must first know how to fight for it.
beast566 said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
I live in Britain, the police are shit...
I live in USA. The police sometimes come in armored vehicles wielding assault rifles =p
I won't lose Africa for long. I need it for slaves. - SANAND
beast566 said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
I live in Britain, the police are shit...
Not as pointless as community support officers. They can't even arrest people. Just tell them off.
I tore a path screaming through wind and blood, I will it all, burning deep, in my, skull
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I just love the saying, because it's so true.
There's plenty of good British chefs and I don't see how the British are bad chefs. Gordon Ramsey for one is know in the US. Italian and French chefs are way overrated and American food is everyone else's food claimed as their own or foods with so much fat/sugar/salt/carbohydrates that it would kill you after a while xD. Also isn't there the famous saying that during Mussolini's reign at least the trains ran on time showing the Italians can organize when they can be arsed xD.
Where did the interpretation come of Germans being bad police either? I never understood this one
I tore a path screaming through wind and blood, I will it all, burning deep, in my, skull
Is it worth it to go on on topic again? =]
My play, start 1933, Germany, set coal to maximise production, every mine, start industrialisating the small city's till they are 50, except 3 city's they must/can go to 200ipu's,
First turn declare war on danzig, no1 will do you any harm, in my experience then =] Meanwhile, get austria by voting (if voting doesn't work, declare war)
research light tanks + infantry + defence + attack (and if you have time automating target-ting)
Then you got a amount of city's that are 50 or some that are higher, 'demand sudenteland' , if some1 declare's war on you, you got enough industrial power to make a good amount of defence is a short time to hold the french back, (if ohnly france declare's war on you : don't invade france, then Great brittain will declare war on you xd)
Now you can hold your line's have enough industrial power, and most of all you are becoming the opcoming power ! (I sometimes declare war on romania en capture it for the oil maybye usefull)
Fms ~
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Maybe you should just not play Germany in the 1933 scenario. They are at a great disadvantage, as all the other countries on the map are jumpstarted 3x the German military from the start. You just don't stand a chance. I recommend playing the USSR in 1933, you get tons of time to industrialize and you don't have to worry about anyone declaring war on you until Germany gets frisky in 1941 and decides to come knocking. But by then, especially in the 1933 scenario, Germany would've already been gangraped 2 years ago by France and the UK and you only have to worry about Japan.
Yeah, Mussolini always screws everything up. Probably couldent even make a decent pizza...
"Mors ultima linea rerum est mortalis."
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ian241289 said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I just love the saying, because it's so true.
There's plenty of good British chefs and I don't see how the British are bad chefs. Gordon Ramsey for one is know in the US. Italian and French chefs are way overrated and American food is everyone else's food claimed as their own or foods with so much fat/sugar/salt/carbohydrates that it would kill you after a while xD. Also isn't there the famous saying that during Mussolini's reign at least the trains ran on time showing the Italians can organize when they can be arsed xD.
Where did the interpretation come of Germans being bad police either? I never understood this one
Meh, it's just stereotypes, not meant to be taken seriously.
TehBoss said
ian241289 said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I just love the saying, because it's so true.
There's plenty of good British chefs and I don't see how the British are bad chefs. Gordon Ramsey for one is know in the US. Italian and French chefs are way overrated and American food is everyone else's food claimed as their own or foods with so much fat/sugar/salt/carbohydrates that it would kill you after a while xD. Also isn't there the famous saying that during Mussolini's reign at least the trains ran on time showing the Italians can organize when they can be arsed xD.
Where did the interpretation come of Germans being bad police either? I never understood this one
Meh, it's just stereotypes, not meant to be taken seriously.
I know :P. I just don't like stereotypes so it wasn't aimed at you but the people who came up with it and to deny Gmer_freak's claim it's true xD.
I think I wrote this when tired and bored as well so take no notice of this
I tore a path screaming through wind and blood, I will it all, burning deep, in my, skull
ian241289 said
TehBoss said
ian241289 said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I just love the saying, because it's so true.
There's plenty of good British chefs and I don't see how the British are bad chefs. Gordon Ramsey for one is know in the US. Italian and French chefs are way overrated and American food is everyone else's food claimed as their own or foods with so much fat/sugar/salt/carbohydrates that it would kill you after a while xD. Also isn't there the famous saying that during Mussolini's reign at least the trains ran on time showing the Italians can organize when they can be arsed xD.
Where did the interpretation come of Germans being bad police either? I never understood this one
Meh, it's just stereotypes, not meant to be taken seriously.
I know :P. I just don't like stereotypes so it wasn't aimed at you but the people who came up with it and to deny Gmer_freak's claim it's true xD.
I think I wrote this when tired and bored as well so take no notice of this
Is there a mosquito in the room? I'm hearing some buzzing noises...
"Mors ultima linea rerum est mortalis."
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MajorLufbery said
ian241289 said
TehBoss said
ian241289 said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Gmer_freak said
TehBoss said
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss, and it's organized by the Italians.
I just love the saying, because it's so true.
There's plenty of good British chefs and I don't see how the British are bad chefs. Gordon Ramsey for one is know in the US. Italian and French chefs are way overrated and American food is everyone else's food claimed as their own or foods with so much fat/sugar/salt/carbohydrates that it would kill you after a while xD. Also isn't there the famous saying that during Mussolini's reign at least the trains ran on time showing the Italians can organize when they can be arsed xD.
Where did the interpretation come of Germans being bad police either? I never understood this one
Meh, it's just stereotypes, not meant to be taken seriously.
I know :P. I just don't like stereotypes so it wasn't aimed at you but the people who came up with it and to deny Gmer_freak's claim it's true xD.
I think I wrote this when tired and bored as well so take no notice of this
Is there a mosquito in the room? I'm hearing some buzzing noises...
Flys in general buzz, could be a whole variety of them
I tore a path screaming through wind and blood, I will it all, burning deep, in my, skull
