DISCUSSIONS
I think that a lot of people are looking at the things that make the game difficult to enjoy, while I want to point out everything I thik is notible, good or bad.
The Good
- Enjoyable Campaigns (Teh Boss)
- Great new units.
- New regions rock.
- The ability to create a puppet state.
- Better city management.
- The cool new flags for each country depending on there Government.
- Awesome new 3-D map.
- Paratroopers and air transports.
- Better world market, easy to set you stockpiles and move on.
- The world just feels bigger to me, more on target.
The Bad
- Long laucher load time (Teh Boss)
- Multiplayer sync problems (Teh Boss)
- "Biggest" unit on top of stack, I have a stack of Superheavies and it shows an infatry unit on top.
- Need to trade techs.
- Kinda too easy to research techs
- Regional improvements need ways to speed up.
- Laggy after evey turn is done.
- It's hard to ally with nations who aren't at war with the same person you are.
The Ugly
- The AI needs to be smarter. (MordachaiWolf)
- Almost impossible to play a minor nation.
- Tought to get nations to like you.
- Nations seem unwilling to agree to any peace treaties.
- It's nearly impossible to sell directly to another nation. (You propose a deal and they don't respond)
I probably forgot some stuff but this is what I feel about the game. Just kinda a way to let it all out, and share my 2 cents with anyone who wants to read. It's going to be a great game I can tell, but it just isn't there yet. I'm glad that everyone is trying to make it better.
And post what you think is good or bad, I'll add it up here.
NOTE: Removed/added some stuff due to Update/feedback.
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- Gmer_freak
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few comments on your bad + ugly:
techs are hard to research if you do not have a lot of cities
I never get lag
as Romania I defeated Russia, after allying with Turkey, Iran, Poland, Finland
I get all of my stuff on private deals when supplies are low (piece of advice, check who is selling and make a 50 offer)
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Totally agree with your first post.
Want to add that I also have LOTS of lag after ending a turn, I have a quad core xtreme intel cpu, 285 gtx nividia, raptor disk, so system should be good enough.
List of what I feel is missing:
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A way to tell all regions to prioritize upgrades, f. eksample 1. pri food, 2. pri coal. (Its was way to much of a hassle to keep upgrading formet USSR when I took over their whole nation)
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A way to mass select regions from list, and set mass build list, so you dont have to click one region, build something, click a new reagion, set a build, click a new region, (Get the point?)
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A way to sell out all research facilities when you are teched out, or a way to not have to play maintenance for them when you are teched out.
Again. You summed it up pretty good in your first post. This game could be so damn good with some upgrades!
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- Lower quality units, no shadows, kinda pixelated.
- Weird war declarations. (pretty much fixed)
- Kinda too easy to research techs (my opinion)
- Regional improvements need ways to speed up. (maybe depending on city level in that
- Laggy after evey turn is done.
- No defense pacts... (Not a problem but something cool)
- No more moving units within a region. (yes I know it's being looked at)
- It's hard to ally with nations who aren't at war with the same person you are.
The Ugly
- Almost impossible to play a minor nation.
- Problems with saves, and loading games. (getting better)
- Need to look at stealing tech, spying on nations, and government uprising.
- Tought to get nations to like you.
- Nations seem unwilling to agree to any peace treaties.
- It's nearly impossible to sell directly to another nation. (You propose a deal and they don't respond)
- Battles seem wierd. (it will say you are loosing but then you win)
- Needs a repeat list (not just one unit) ability in city management.
I probably forgot some stuff but this is what I feel about the game. Just kinda a way to let it all out, and share my 2 cents with anyone who wants to read. It's going to be a great game I can tell, but it just isn't there yet. I'm glad that everyone is trying to make it better.
*The units seem equal to the previous game but not really better as ML probably intended.
*The AI behavior is erratic but that is probably unavoidable, AI is AI.
*Don't agree, I doubt anyone can finish the tree. The tree should be trimmed imo.
*IMO region improvements are okay, as is.
*Runs pretty good on my new machine but it could be better. My machine could also be better.
*It is so hard to get an alliance something a biit easier would be nice
*Yep stacked units suck
*Impossible to win as a minor nation but it should be impossible. You can play as a minor and accomplish about as much as you should be able to accomplish.
- the spying, tech theft, propaganda, etc. are not worth the money and effort.
*diplomacy seems to be broken
*it is difficult to follow ongoing battles
*still a lot of little bugs that slip my mind. They don't ruin the game but it would be better if they were fixed
Here's my output on what you think of the game, and I added some of the stuff i think about the game. Sorry, i just like providing what i was thinking while reading people's stuff. Sorry. I cannot refuse.
Gmer_freak said
The Good
- Great new units.
Definately a plus
- New regions rock.
Mhm :)
- The ability to create a puppet state.
this is one of my favorites
- Better city management.
I'm not so much focused on this when I play, i just tend to build troops and then send them off to the frontline, unless of course im playing Japan, then I boat them off to the frontline.
- The cool new flags for each country depending on there Government.
It is a cool feature, this adds only the "create puppet state" feature.
- Awesome new 3-D map.
Doesn't everybody love this? The MH2 map is the most beautiful grand strategy I've ever seen.
- Paratroopers and air transports. (No more battling the British Navy)
Hell yeah! I still have to play a game to test my theory about the German invasion of Scotland.
- Better world market, easy to set you stockpiles and move on.
I love what they did with the world market, not only can you have the AI mange that for you, but now you can set your stockpiles and such,
- The world just feels bigger to me, more on target.
The map definately seems larger, and this is always a good thing, as it allows the devs to create more regions, and give you more ways to test your strategies.
The Bad
- Lower quality units, no shadows, kinda pixelated.
I agree with the no shadows, but I haven't seen anything pixelated just yet.
- Weird war declarations. (pretty much fixed)
Aww, those were more of a funny part of the game than a bad part, i'll miss when Luxembourg invades Belgium :'(
- Kinda too easy to research techs (my opinion)
Agreed.
Regional improvements need ways to speed up. (maybe depending on city level in that
Laggy after evey turn is done.
Well, after Muzzy spammed us with patches, i noticed a dramatic change in game performance, this has been fixed for me.
- No defense pacts... (Not a problem but something cool)
Agreed.
- No more moving units within a region. (yes I know it's being looked at)
Agreed.
- It's hard to ally with nations who aren't at war with the same person you are.
Aaaand, agreed.
The Ugly
- Almost impossible to play a minor nation.
Actually, i disagree with you on this one, I think that MH2 has actually made it easier to play a minor nation.
- Problems with saves, and loading games. (getting better)
Agreed.
- Need to look at stealing tech, spying on nations, and government uprising.
Agreed.
- Tought to get nations to like you.
DEFINATELY Agreed.
- Nations seem unwilling to agree to any peace treaties.
Ive been quite generous with my Sino-Japanese peace treaties, but they apparently hate me too much to accept anything that dare comes from me, to them.
- It's nearly impossible to sell directly to another nation. (You propose a deal and they don't respond)
I usually automate the world market, unless im in desperate need of a certain resource (usually arms), so I'm not really used to seeing this.
- Battles seem wierd. (it will say you are loosing but then you win)
Well, that's most likely because the enemy units have either very low morale, low health, or both. Those factors now greatly influence a battle.
- Needs a repeat list (not just one unit) ability in city management.
It would be a cool feature, but i really wouldn't mind too much if they turned it down.
Adding on to your very fine list:
The Good:
- Very Satisfying campaigns, regardless of defeat or victory, it's still a great experience
- Large collection of 3d models which add an extra touch of flavor to the game's experience.
The Bad:
- Synchronization problems in multiplayer. I myself haven't seen this before, but other people have said that there are bad sync problems when there are more than 2 people in a game.
- Relatively long startup and launcher load times.
The Ugly:
- Nothing that wasn't on Gmer_freak's list.
PS: Sorry for the double post.
This minor nation cant win i dont get, ive played as denmark and own all of europe and asia, and am not at war with the US yet. The only reason i cant finish it is because the lag is out of this world during and after a turn. Now playing as Nicaragua or guatemala would be harder as they are a single city of only five and the US gets pretty defensive in that area but it still seems do able you just cant do it in the turn limit, if your machine lets you for whatever reason(you are lucky!) play without lag thatn your own time is the only limit. I wish there was an option to click turns and say set it to 300 turns and it would just calculate world events and only if it effects you during that time would it not complete the turn thus i could build up my factory without sitting infront of my comp for a week straight!
- kill_machine85
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HI guys great thread!!
But what do you think of adding, to the existing battle calculator based on divisions, a system that calculate the real number of soldiers involved in a battle??What I means is: to add the number of soldiers that are part of every division (for example an infantry division may have 10000 soldiers, an armoured one 200 tanks ecc...), to calculate the battle in this way and then to use the existing recovery system to add all the complements to refill every division...
It would be great to see that in a battle there are 900000 germans with 1500 tanks against1.2 millions russians with something like 3200 tanks...and after the battle seeing our divisions with 2000 soldiers each and less then 50 tanks each...
What do you think of this idea???I wait for your comments and suggestions...
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I vaguely remember a thread where we discussed posting sort of casualty list or something after a battle and the game keeping a running tab. Perhaps this could tie in with your nation's morale.
Re: lag @ end of turns. I'm at around turn 500 with the UK and there's a maybe a 2-3 second lag when you click 'End Turn'. Of course, I don't consider this lag I consider it the AI making decisions and the game sorting things out. Once in awhile the lag is a little longer, but nothing that's even remotely annoying.
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TehBoss said
- Awesome new 3-D map.
Doesn't everybody love this? The MH2 map is the most beautiful grand strategy I've ever seen.
- Lower quality units, no shadows, kinda pixelated.
I agree with the no shadows, but I haven't seen anything pixelated just yet.
No I dont like the new 3d map I think it looks lame and low resolution as if the game was made in the 80's and updated for a new release on bigger screens - same as for example Enemy Engaged 2. The original MH game map looks far far better to me. Its not 3d but it looks lovely. If they were interested in 3d why didnt they allow you to spin the map around and tilt it with the mouse such as is the case in EU3: Rome - take a look at that game for a stunning map and sprites that really shows its a modern game.
Do you understand what pixellated means? It means you can obviously see the individual pixels in the sprites and the edges of the sprites are very obviously jagged. If you cant see this you need a new pair of glasses.
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Are you seriously going to go through this forum arguing with anyone who has posted something about the graphics. Are they not allowed opinions
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ian241289 said
Are you seriously going through this forum arguing with anyone who has posted something about the graphics
Why not? Maybe the developers will take note and I will get a game I can play one of these days.
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Diart said
ian241289 said
Are you seriously going through this forum arguing with anyone who has posted something about the graphics
Why not? Maybe the developers will take note and I will get a game I can play one of these days.
So to make the developers take note of your complaints you are going to deny other peoples opinions of the graphics. Not exactly going about it the best way. Seems petulant in all honesty.
PM the developers one by one or keep making posts about separate issues instead of all in one post or keep posting in a single post about your complaints so it doesn't go off the first page.
Simply arguing with people as they don't have the same opinion as you on something isn't the way to go about voicing your complaints
If all else fails you can get a refund and get a game to your standards
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How is it that my complaints were always taken care of, and I was not really diplomatic in spelling them out, and Diart's just doesn't seem to. Maybe it is the content of the complaints. Diart, my friend, you might very well be somewhat alone with your opinion and your attitude - arguing that ML should take an outside look at their project, when really there is no such thing as an outside look onto MHII. I strongly believe that what you see here in the forums is pretty much the standart 10% non-lurking costumers, ergo there can't be more than a few thousand buyers. Maybe 40.000 buys alltogether for all games?
Maybe its because you apparently hate HoI3, too. Granted, it was a hell-hole of bugs, but it seems to be the front runner in grand WWII strategy, Likely occupying 60% of the market for those game (rest is 35% HoI2, than some, then MHGold and MHII I guess).. If you don't like HoI3, and don't like MHII, than maybe ... just maybe ... the genre is not for you.
There is, however, CivV coming soon. It has shiny graphics and little itsy bitsy toy soldiers and 3D and shit. Maybe thats more to your liking?
P.S.: I love Civ, mind you.
ian241289 said
Are you seriously going through this forum arguing with anyone who has posted something about the graphics
Diart said Why not? Maybe the developers will take note and I will get a game I can play one of these days.
So to make the developers take note of your complaints you are going to deny other peoples opinions of the graphics. Not exactly going about it the best way. Seems petulant in all honesty.
ian241289 said
Simply arguing with people as they don't have the same opinion as you on something isn't the way to go about voicing your complaints
Telling someone that they got their facts wrong may be dealt with by saying "You're wrong about that!" Like someone says, "The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor occurred on Dec 6th," and you say "Wrong! It was Dec 7th!" THAT people will accept because your argument is based in facts. But if people state an opinion and someone else says "Wrong!" you are most likely NOT going to change their minds by ranting, "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!" Just the opposite in fact. Like someone says, "My favorite color is yellow," and you say, "Wrong! Your favorite color should be blue -- because that's MY favorite color!" It comes off like you are some kind of egocentric megalomaniac who is convinced that the ONLY opinions that matter in the world are your own.
If you want to alter someone else's opinion, persuade them, woo them, sweet-talk them -- do NOT make it sound like what you are saying is, "You are an idiot for having an opinion that differs from mine!"
Clue: Maybe it's you with the questionable opinion if NO ONE chimes in on your side of the debate. Something to reflect upon before commencing a campaign of "You're ALL wrong!"
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CaptainPatch said
ian241289 said
Are you seriously going through this forum arguing with anyone who has posted something about the graphics
Diart said Why not? Maybe the developers will take note and I will get a game I can play one of these days.
So to make the developers take note of your complaints you are going to deny other peoples opinions of the graphics. Not exactly going about it the best way. Seems petulant in all honesty.
ian241289 said
Simply arguing with people as they don't have the same opinion as you on something isn't the way to go about voicing your complaints
Telling someone that they got their facts wrong may be dealt with by saying "You're wrong about that!" Like someone says, "The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor occurred on Dec 6th," and you say "Wrong! It was Dec 7th!" THAT people will accept because your argument is based in facts. But if people state an opinion and someone else says "Wrong!" you are most likely NOT going to change their minds by ranting, "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!" Just the opposite in fact. Like someone says, "My favorite color is yellow," and you say, "Wrong! Your favorite color should be blue -- because that's MY favorite color!" It comes off like you are some kind of egocentric megalomaniac who is convinced that the ONLY opinions that matter in the world are your own.
If you want to alter someone else's opinion, persuade them, woo them, sweet-talk them -- do NOT make it sound like what you are saying is, "You are an idiot for having an opinion that differs from mine!"
Clue: Maybe it's you with the questionable opinion if NO ONE chimes in on your side of the debate. Something to reflect upon before commencing a campaign of "You're ALL wrong!"
If all else fails you can get a refund and get a game to your standards
Is that directed towards me? As I didn't deny anyone's opinion or voice my own and say that is the right one on the topics of the graphics of the game :P
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ian241289 said
Is that directed towards me? As I didn't deny anyone's opinion or voice my own and say that is the right one on the topics of the graphics of the game :P
I thought it was obvious I was talking to Diart. But now that you mention it.... LOL
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CaptainPatch said
ian241289 said
Is that directed towards me? As I didn't deny anyone's opinion or voice my own and say that is the right one on the topics of the graphics of the game :P
I thought it was obvious I was talking to Diart. But now that you mention it.... LOL
It's as I was the last quoted so thought it was to me :P
No harm no foul xD
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