nice mod

nice mod thanks

thanks alwaxer i think best world war 3 scenario but turkey and middleeastern nations are very weak today turkey can produce own heavy tank and self propelled guns:)

Well, seems like a great scenario, but my first instinct when looking at it was, US is too strong... If IPU=GDP, I looked the numbers on Wikipedia and it seems I'm correct. China should have about 55% of US GDP, if we translate that into the game, if US has 1436 IPUs in the beginning, China should have about 750, but they have 456. Also, Germany should have a bit higher IPU than Russia, but in the game they have considerably less.

Other than that, scenario indeed gives the impression there was a lot of work put into it, and I should thank you for sharing it with us! And like you said, if now someone could just integrate contemporary 3D models into the scenario, that would make this mod almost too good to be true.

I downloaded the new file (which includes countries folder) with no problems, so maybe you should try again.

Alwaxer, I see what you're saying, maybe it would be better to give US some more cities but downgrade their overall IPU, but alas, I will start playing my first official game as US and see how it goes :)

fix the population of african and middle eastern nation

r u sure from research of all african nation

I played a whole game in the scenario, it was pretty interesting, I had the WW3 on my hands when EU declared war on CSTO, then China declared war on EU and I (USA) declared war on them...

Things I noticed that need fixing:

• You renamed oil to stone and coal to gold in trade windows, minor annoyance
• The game contains event of Germany annexing Austria, which don't make sense in 21st century
• I only played the mod twice, but it seems the only things that happen (if I don't attack someone) is India attacks Pakistan or Bangladesh or Pakistan attacks Iran... You need to add events... Some African countries attacking neigbors, Israel attacking Arab countries or vice versa, Russia attacking Georgia, North Korea attacking South Korea etc...

Maybe some wars in the Balkans also...

dont forgot the icon of nuclear reactor convert metal to coal(energy) ports only;nuclear lab based on, electric generator convert oil to coal,fishing boats convert convert oil ,metal to food,helicopter transporting in order to increase transport without ports, recycling food to coal for enriching countries as china ,india any vechile need coal,metal ,and oil for production ,dont forget increasing ipu without initial sources oil in usa mini but can max it

flag of egyptian army is rounded not triangular

as you said earlier about nukes

it's more realistic for nuke-free nations. Mainly because the US and many other nations have signed hundreds of treaties stating they WONT use nukes.

Off Topic: And Hitler signed a treaty saying he wouldn't invade the USSR but he sure didn't do what he said he would do.

On Topic: I'm surprised this scenario doesn't have more downloads, I have heard Gold users say they wanted a good Modern Day mod. Well here it is.

Good mod

good idea nice update

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel not Tel Aviv,it needs to be changed. And i think Syria's population should be updated to more ppl.

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I just tried to download this and I am getting an error related to countriesaustraliadecal-64-64-bw.tga. I think I got the rest so it is probably playable.

I got it now, instead of saving I clicked open then extracted from there and it worked. Must be something wierd with my system. Thanks for the mod!

Good mod

I chosed Lithuania and started on increasing the IPU output while balancing the resources. At 210 turn or something like that, i couldn't increase any more, the IPU output would come to 0 every time i try to increase the IPU output, or create a tank... Production of guns and goods is working perfectly, but i can't build army, nor i can't increase the IPU output. They are 23 in one city, and 30 in another (IPU outputs). Anyone could help me with this bug?

That is not a bug. You have just run out of MPUs (Man Power Units) which represent population. Basically, you don't have enough people to work the expanded factories.

I think you need to update the population of the diferent countries.

Bigmak5 12 days ago

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel not Tel Aviv,it needs to be changed. And i think Syria's population should be updated to more ppl.

Wrong, Jerusalem is NOT the capital of Israel, Tel Aviv is. Jerusalem is claimed illegally by Israel. I found that Israel cities are way to weak, it should have more IPUs, Tel Aviv should be a little higher, it is modern like the American ones.

China should have a large army (largest land forces), I see lack of it in the game, also. You forgot the following things: Israel and the Arab nations around her should be hated or dislike. Sense they are a common enemy. China and Taiwan should not be an alliance together sense they are bitter enemies. North Korea should have a very low IPU, very low. The population near the capital should be higher while the other side should be much smaller because of the lack of food. You also should know that the North Koreans are the 4th largest army in the world, in the game they seem a little weaker then the Korean. Also if you wanted too, the two forces should be at war sense they are at war even today (never signed a peace treaty just a ceasefire).

Also, Russia is not a communist nation, but rather an Authoritarian government, China should have modern cities on the coast, at lease that of the US ones sense they are increasing it greatly.

There should be more war in Africa, Congo is one I know that was in a wat, you should make two or more factions fighting each others. Not bad for a world war or a simple conflict to turn the cheek.

I also saw the lack of other nations in alliance, which isn't a problem for me but the fact is, I fee like that South Americans are like (bored) Like Brazil is the only one but still, you should make an South American Alliance.

Now for the review of the mod, I found it awesome shame it is not on the top download list and I really thing many people can easily download it and play it.

Again you should fix the problems I stated above.

Excuse me Mouzie Jerusalem is the capital of Israel And is not claimed illegally because there is no such thing as the Palestinian ppl for they do not exist anymore, maybe if you had a time machine and went back maybe 2000 or more yrs back then Palestinians(Philistines [ which have nothing to do with todays day claimed Palestinians]).And you say claimed illegally what about when Egypt and Jordon grabed up part of the supposed land for Palestine then it was ok. Jerusalem was to be shared its not Israels fault the Arabs in Palestine didn't want to share a country with Israel and Israel declared independence and and fought for their right to exist and gained more territory.

Ok. I like the scenario very much except for some details. 1: Why did you make some countries' armies be merged in one (like Russia). Now if you play with russia and you get attacked, let's say, by the Chinese you will have to travel a looooooooong distance to reach the battle zone. And we all know that Russia is probably the territory through which traveling is longest. 2:I think that if you made the scenario about the year, let's say, 1990. Then there would be the war of the Persian Gulf (when Iraq attacks Kuwait and the US kicks their asses for it). Or maybe the Yemeni civil war. It's a little further in time (1994) but still close. Also I think that the Somalian civil war is then. There are many different wars going on in the 90s'. And 3:You made the conflicts and wars to soon. Wait a little.

This is a GREAT scenario. Alwaxer, THANK YOU!!! :) You're my hero in Making History

Sorry Big, you're wrong:

Jerusalem is described as the Capital of Israel by Israel itself, by Israeli Tourist Offices worldwide, by Google Earth, by Wikipedia, etc - whereas in fact no other nation, not even Israel's universal protector America, regards it as such, and no nation has an embassy there. As late as 1 December 2006 the UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly (82% in favour!) that all Israeli actions in the Occupied Territories, incl. Jerusalem, are illegal and therefore null and void according to International law.

You can also find infromation about Tel Aviv here:http://i-cias.com/e.o/tel_aviv.htm

Wait so your telling me that you dont believe in all the states that came after the first seven in the united states of america because alot of territory was kinda occupied and what im saying there is no such ppl as Palestinians therefore Israels capital is jerusalem like i said the word palistinains is philistine which the romans named Israel so as to dissociate it from the Jews the Palestinians have nothing to do with the ancient philistines

I don't undestands you. there is such things as Palestinian, because it was Palestine. Now Gaza Strip and West Bank are Palestinian Territories; don't see how they is no such thing. Your logic does not make any sense, that's saying there is no such thing as Americans, because 99.9% of Americans are not PURE Americans, the Native Americans are. Again, Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, because Jerusalem is a open-city; nobodies own it. I am from Israel, so I should know what I am talking about.

well mouzie you dont know what you're about because jerusalem is not an open city it is under israeli control

occupied

Um, no, you see Jerusalem is an open city, no sides own it. There for it would be impossible for it to be the capital of Israel because.

A. No nations under the U.N. Charter declare that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

B. Half of Jerusalem is on the Palestinian area (West Bank). There for there is no such as Jerusalem there is West and there is East, that is saying the capital of East Germany is Berlin, no; only Eastern Berlin

C. It is an open city, so no major group control is, Israel control the West and the Palestinian to the East; there for merely impossible to control the entire city, sense no major group own the city, the Israeli Government is stationed there but, it is not the capital of Israel. Don't tell me what I do know and don't know.

D. Because Jerusalem is an occupied Palestinian city according to the UN resolutions and western international law too. Look it up.

In a sense, it is a capital but legally it is NOT; even American does not think the capital of Israel is Jerusalem; that is why the embassies of many countries are located in the proper government sector-Tel Aviv.

A. Just because the UN says something doesn't mean it is true. In fact many UN documents and pronouncements have no basis in reality.

B. Your point being? The West Bank has been occupied and controlled by Israel since 1967, so using your terminology, Israel at the very least 'controls' the whole city. In addition, unlike the rest of the West Bank, East Jerusalem was incorporated directly into the municipality of Jerusalem, so Israel counts it as Israeli territory, unlike the rest of the West Bank which is under quasi-occupation.

C. The Palestinians do no control East Jerusalem. They may claim it as it was within Jordanian control before 1967, but that does not mean they control it. The UN partition plan that had Jerusalem an open city was thrown out the window the moment the 1948 war started, and Jerusalem has never been an open, internationally controlled city. After '48 it was half Israeli half Jordanian. After 1967 Israel took control over all of it and continues to exercise that control today. Your statement that even though the Israeli government is in Jerusalem it is not the capital is hilarious. A capital is by definition the place where a country's government is located, so Jerusalem is the Israeli capital in both de facto and de jure sense since 1967.

D. Already dealt with.

Basically your statement that the Israeli capital for this scenario should be in Tel Aviv is rubbish. You can throw mountains of UN resolutions and international law out there but it doesn't make a difference. The Israeli government is seated in Jerusalem whether you like it or not, and therefore to accurately represent the reality of the situation, the capital should be in Jerusalem.

If the UN passed a resolution saying that Washington, DC was not the capital of the United States, would that mean that DC wasn't the capital of the US anymore? No, as the US government would still be in DC and wouldn't pay any heed to the resolution.

Honestly, I don't care whether the scenario puts the capital in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, but I do have a problem with letting these baseless statements stand.

@ Light-Infa

A. Following the UN charter, would means that many nations will follow it; Ex: United States does not see Jerusalem as Israel capital.

B. You are wrong 'The Palestinian territories are composed of two discontiguous regions, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, whose final status has yet to be determined. The territories, which were originally contained within the British Mandate of Palestine, were captured and occupied by Jordan and by Egypt in the late 1940s, and captured and occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War. "Palestinian territories" is one of a number of designations for these areas. In 1980 Israel claimed to annex East Jerusalem from the West Bank, but United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 declared this null and void and required that it be rescinded forthwith, while affirming that it was a violation of international law.'

Therefore, Israel does not have full control as you say it does.

Also, Jerusalem is controlled by the West and the East, not as a whole.

You also didn't read my bottom part here --->; In a sense, it is a capital but legally it is NOT; even American does not think the capital of Israel is Jerusalem; that is why the embassies of many countries are located in the proper government sector-Tel Aviv. I stated, it IS the capital but I also stated legally it is not, and that the main sector is located in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem. Again, I see your points and I respect that.

Sense, I know D.C. is not label under the UN as the capital of the USA sense many government meets in New York City, however. I didn't say it wasn't, Jerusalem legally it is not. Therefore, your point does not make much sense. I like a person who can debate very well (your post earned my respect).

Again, you come back to the infamous Berlin capital, you have West and East, each claiming a capital but of different factions; nobodies claim each ones. I wasn't trying to ask him to change it into Tel Aviv, I can EASILY do that with the Editor, however. I would like him to give him the option to release a 'corrected' (not trying to sound mean or anything) version and you have many good points.

Again, I never really wish for anything to change, merely expressing my opinion and if you dislike them, I am very sorry.

Again, you seem very intelligent and I am looking forward with discussing more with you. I can accept defeat.

Regardless of wither or not there is a UN RESOLUTION declares Israel's Capital Jerusalem the State of Israel has named Jerusalem their capital and as such it is, despite the fact that much of the government is administrated from Tel-Aviv. South Africa has Three Capitals for the three branches of government, legislative, executive and judicial. Secondly Israel may not have recognized but does have virtual control of all areas within the British Mandate of Palestine and the Golan Heights region of Syria.

You're part on the bottom is also false, according to the CIA world Fact Book, the CIA being the American Central Intelligence Agency the Official Capital of Israel is Jerusalem and subsequently legally is so, but like most world nations maintains their embassy in Tel-Aviv, that said a number of nation do maintain Embassy's in both Jerusalem and Haifa. You're point about Legality of a Capital is null and void and there is nothing in international law that states a nation's capital must also be the center of government. During the Romanov Dynasty in Russia the Capital was Moscow but the seat of Government was St. Petersburg or Petrograd (Later Leningrad from the 1920s-1990).

You're point about Berlin is also void as neither West or East Germany proclaimed Berlin to be their capital they recognized the city as a separate autonomous mandate. While you are correct that it is the only place in the world where two different groups claim the same Capital it is not the first time in history that two conflicting groups have proclaimed to have the same Capital.

During the Roman Civil Wars, both sides claimed Rome as their Capital, later during the Era of East and West Rome, Eastern Rome recognized Rome as the Cultural Capital of the Empire. During the Boar Wars the Afrikaans Speaking Rebels claimed Cape Town as the Capital of their nation despite the fact that it remained in British hands as the Capital of the British Colony of Cape Province the entire conflict. During the late 19 teens when the Austro-Hungarian Empire was collapsing the Austrian Republicans claimed Vienna as the Capital despite the fact that it was still the capital of the Monarchy. The same is true for the Russian Civil War when Russian Republicans and Communists both Laied Claim to Moscow and Capital, and the Chinese Civil War.

You're argument is good but to name a place a capital in this day and age is ridiculous its just a point of national pride, in some cases, like Cuba and Iraq, when Saddam was still in power, there are no capitals the seat of government changed on a daily basis because they move around to prevent potential assassinations. A capital holds no real value other than a place to say is the Cultural center of your nation, it is no longer about seats of government. Jerusalem is Israel's Capital, plain and simple, they say it is so it is, that said the Palestinian National Authority claims Jerusalem as their Capital, that's fine, it is, there is nothing in international Law that says a nation's capital must be it's seat of government and there is nothing in international law that says two states cannot share the same Capital.

@ MrHistory

I accept defeat, I cheer my cup of tea to you. I suppose I will run to my little troll cave and wait. :)

mouzie , play tibia?

dear mrhistory , UN or CIA can not enforce world to accept drawing history

firestone if you are talking about history jerusalem was the capital of the kingdom of israel since 1000bc so dont use history to support your delusions

Never heard of it, the thing is; the relation and alliances does not make sense, I don't think Taiwan and China should be allies; I think USA and Israel should be allies; sense they are in real life.

Also, the nations around Israel should be hostile or dislike Israel; so in many cases this mod IS good but have flaws.

China should have a very large land force (largest in the world) North Korea should have a bigger army then South Korea and they both should be in a war because even today they are at war; just in a stalemate.

where did you say you live?

history, jewish have strayed off , Jewish resist Jesus , that called kingdom of israel can not change their history ,
Killing Prophets ,Messengers (that is their History)

omerla said

dont use history to support your delusions

open your bible

@omerla I wasn't talking to you sadly, I was talking to Fire.

Anyways, Firestone, the Jewish people did not resist Jesus; now why are we going from the capital to a bible thing?

Anyways, in many cases the Jews was against Jesus and that was not true, the Jewish LEADERS was but they was slaves by the Romans and thus did not have rights.

In many cases, people belives that the Jews killed Jesus and that-is kind of true. The Jewish leaders wanted Jesus to die but again-they did not have that right nor power to do so, so the Roman did.

There is a flaw, when you say, 'history jerusalem was the capital of the kingdom of israel since 1000bc so dont use history to support your delusions'. Your cases would not be valid, sense there is no such thing as Kingdom of Israel, just State of Israel (Medinat Yisra'el).

Remember, you can't prove a point when a nation/kingdom does not exist; like you can't say the capital of The Kingdom of Aragon was Zaragoza for so many years, if you're talking about Spain, sense now the Kingdom is a small province in Spain.

No offense.

@ Mouzie please take your Anti Israel attitude to the forums this is a discussion about a scenario and you have successfully high-jacked my friends mod on here, I am going to ask you to open up a thread on the forums people may have legit reasons to post about his scenario and not your lies about how you lived in Israel, or about how the "Holy City" is not part of Israel. Do I give a flying f*ck what the UN says? No, do you want to know why? Because Muslim extremists who are for Sharia Law in Europe are controlling the Human Defamation part of the United Nations, and lets be honest when has anyone ever been scared of the UN in the past 6 years? The UN is split, its a terrible and outdated system for countries to bitch at eachother, pretty soon I wouldn't be surprised if it turned into the British House of Common's and I dont care if I don't have my facts straight or if I am calling any of these things wrong because I am tired of people like you trying to force there views on other people, especially with the whole Israel thing. Honestly UN needs to STFU when Israel is going into full swing to combat the extremists who fire dirty missiles and shoot mortars there EVERY DAY! And is it propaganda no? No it isn't even liberal new media commentates on it a lot. Now please take this else where and not on these forums have a good one "pal." ;)

Really?

I never said I was anti-Israel. I view myself as Nationalist, also if you notice. That discussion is long gone, shall I repeat what I said?

@ MrHistory

I accept defeat, I cheer my cup of tea to you. I suppose I will run to my little troll cave and wait. :)

In a sense, it is a capital but legally it is NOT; even American does not think the capital of Israel is Jerusalem; that is why the embassies of many countries are located in the proper government sector-Tel Aviv. I stated, it IS the capital but I also stated legally it is not, and that the main sector is located in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem. Again, I see your points and I respect that.

See? I said simply that Jerusalem is the capital, simple as cake. Was that hard?

Again, I never attended to do harm and I like his mods, very creative. But please, keep your words to a mature level.

Also, why are you ranting about the UN? If you like to make a point, make it. Also, as a member. I have the rights to express my feelings. I simply stated I will deal with the fact. Simple, again. I do not mean any harms. Just curious, people made great statements and I admitted that I have lost. Everyone made a great debate and who does not like a good debate?

Also, I never force anyone for any views. For example: I never said you're a moron for believing that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel (it is). But however, I give you the rights to express your will and wishes.

Also, if you 'don't know' The Hamas have stop firing after the Gaza Invasion, pretty quiet.

If you like to discuss this more, I would happy to share a nice chat on PMs.

'Pal'.

Also, please read my comments, I have made many ideas and 'fixes' for him to do. So I haven't 'just been anti-Israel'. I have offered ideas for him.

for your ideas , jesus still live 2009 years

thnx , alferd , mouzie , omerla change yours location in your profile , U failed in hiding

o mr history the boss

@ Mouzie

You missed in my comment that there is no Legal definition of a Capital, it is generally accepted that the Capital is the seat of Government but that is not necessarily true i.e. the examples I made previously such as South Africa. The fact is Israel says Jerusalem is the Capital so it is. Regardless of whether the seat of government is there or not, besides the maintaining of embassies does not make an area a capital either. There are a number of Embassy's of Foreign Nations in Washington D.C. certainly but there are also a number maintained in New York, Boston, Los Anglies, San Francisco, Chicago, Dallas. The Japanese, Mexican, Costa Rican, and Honduran governments even maintain embassy's in Denver.

My only point is your assertion that the Capital must be the seat of government and home of foreign embassy's is flawed.

@MrHistory

Don't worry about it, I already accept defeat. :)

It wont work on my computer i cant download it:(